----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Andrews" <paul.p.andrews@btinternet.com>
To: <dan.czunys@goyh.gsi.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 11:36 AM
Subject: Fw: Development at Eden House Road
> Dan,
>
> This is the rest of the correspondence with the County Highways Dept. on
> this matter.
>
> Regards
>
> Councillor Paul Andrews
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Kennedy" <James.Kennedy@northyorks.gov.uk>
> To: "Paul Andrews" <paul@sail-apollo.fsnet.co.uk>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Development at Eden House Road
>
>
> Councillor Andrews,
>
> I don't where a figure of 17 has come from. The Transport Assessment
> submitted by the applicant has indicated that the busiest hour would be
> the am peak with an estimate of 272 trips to the site and 67 leaving
> during that single hour.
>
> These figures have been generated using the Trics database. This database
> holds real survey data from existing sites for various types of
> development. You then pick a number of sites with similar characteristics
> which give you an average trip rate per square metre.
>
> Regards
> James.
>
>>>> "Paul Andrews" <paul@sail-apollo.fsnet.co.uk> 29/10/07 20:24 >>>
> James,
>
> I note you say "We have simply looked at the information provided by the
> applicant highway consultants and made our recommendation on this data." I
> understand the consultants said that the proposed new development would
> only
> generate 17 new traffic movements daily. Can you tell me if that is
> correct,
> and if the County Council accepted this?
>
> Regards
>
> Councillor Paul Andrews
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Kennedy" <James.Kennedy@northyorks.gov.uk>
> To: "Paul Andrews" <paul@sail-apollo.fsnet.co.uk>
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:07 AM
> Subject: Re: Development at Eden House Road
>
>
> Councillor Andrews,
>
> I can see your point that there will be an increase in traffic flows on
> the
> A169 during school holidays particularly with the nearby tourist
> attractions. However looking at weekend traffic flows is not really
> appropriate, you would expect most of the potential businesses of the site
> to work Mon-Fri so there would be very little traffic associated with the
> site at weekends. During the week for the school summer period traffic
> flows to the development are also likely to fall as you would expect many
> staff to take annual leave at that time of year.
>
> With regard to the traffic surveys these were taken in the second busiest
> month of the year and the flows used for the modelling are well above the
> average for the year.
>
> When making our judgement on a development you are right the cost of
> various
> improvements is not a consideration for the County Council. I have no
> idea
> what costs the developer will face to develop this site. I don't know
> what
> the cost of a roundabout on the A169 would be or the cost implications of
> the other highway improvements that we have recommended should be
> implemented. We have simply looked at the information provided by the
> applicant highway consultants and made our recommendation on this data.
>
> It will be for Ryedale DC to determine what requirements and conditions
> should be attached to any planning permission granted and then for the
> developer then to decide if the proposals are viable or not.
>
> Regards
> James.
>
>
>
>>>> "Paul Andrews" <paul@sail-apollo.fsnet.co.uk> 25/10/07 18:05 >>>
> I don't agree with you, James.
>
> Both your readings were taken outside the Summer holiday period and ignore
> three (or more) enormously popular tourist attractions which generate an
> enormous amount of traffic in the School holidays, particularly at
> weekends:
> namely: Flamingoland, Eden Camp and the North York Moors Railway.
> Flamingoland is a recognised national tourist attraction which draws
> tourists from all over the country, particularly in the Summer school
> holiday weekends. Eden Camp is a well known regional attraction.In
> addition,
> there is the Show Ground, which has a regular Sunday Car Boot Sale and is
> well known for steam vehicle rallies, and other activities - which tend to
> happen mainly in the School holidays. Eden Camp, Flamingfo land and the
> Show
> Ground are all directly accessed from the road we are talking about.
>
> If you are getting readings of 8,000 vehicles outside the holiday period
> and
> not at weekends, you can be sure that the increase in the Summer holiday
> season and at weekends will almost certainly exceed 12,000.
>
> I am concerned about your statement that the development may not be viable
> if a roundabout has to be constructed. I am not against the development,
> provided there is a roundabout. If the provision of a roundabout is likely
> to make the development unviable, I do not see why County should give the
> develolpment the benefit of the doubt, if the result is to prejudice
> highway
> safety.
>
> Regards
>
> Councillor Paul Andrews
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Kennedy" <James.Kennedy@northyorks.gov.uk>
> To: "Paul Andrews" <paul@sail-apollo.fsnet.co.uk>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Development at Eden House Road
>
>
> Yes I would expect very different traffic flows between weekday and
> weekends, different peak times etc, but there is probably not much
> variation
> in numbers of vehicles or speeds between Mon - Fri, although I don't have
> any figures showing this.
>
> The assessment of the existing junction arrangement has used the peak am
> hour which is when the development would generate the most trips. So it
> is
> almost the worst case scenario, the daily time when the site would get the
> most vehicles arriving and in using July also the time of the year when
> the
> A169 is busy.
>
>
> James.
>
>>>> "Paul Andrews" <paul@sail-apollo.fsnet.co.uk> 08/10/07 11:58 >>>
> Thank you James,
>
> 27th September was, of course a Thursday and 18th July was a Wednesday. Is
> there not a difference between weekdays and weekends - particularly in the
> holdiday period?
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Kennedy" <James.Kennedy@northyorks.gov.uk>
> To: "Paul Andrews" <paul@sail-apollo.fsnet.co.uk>
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 1:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Development at Eden House Road
>
>
> Councillor Andrews,
>
> The speed surveys were done by the applicants traffic consultants on the
> 27
> Sept 2006, between 1 and 3 pm.
>
> For the A169 southbound, the average recorded speed was 45mph whilst
> northbound was 42mph. Average speeds on Edenhouse Road were recorded as
> 22mph westbound and 30mph eastbound.
>
> Yes the Transport Assessment submitted with the application does accept
> that
> July is only the second busiest month of the year. So there is a slight
> increase in traffic flows during August but at the same time its also when
> people tend to take leave and holidays from work so presumably the would
> be
> slight decrease in people working on the site, so less trips.
>
> Using mid July as the date to assess if the road network could cope with
> the
> additional traffic does seem reasonable.
>
> I've checked the traffic flows on the A169, recorded over the whole of
> 2006
> and the average daily flow is 11,225. It does vary over the year from the
> lowest 8,500 in Jan to 14,700 in Aug. The July figure is 13,600 and is
> the
> second busiest month but perhaps more importantly well above the average
> flow.
>
> Regards
> James.
>
>>>> "Paul Andrews" <paul@sail-apollo.fsnet.co.uk> 05/10/07 11:49 >>>
> James,
>
> When were the speeds recorded? What times in the day?
>
> Incidentally, I don't accept that 18th July is the high season - aren't
> some
> some schools still working then?
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Kennedy" <James.Kennedy@northyorks.gov.uk>
> To: "Paul Andrews" <paul@sail-apollo.fsnet.co.uk>
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Development at Eden House Road
>
>
> The traffic surveys were done by the applicant on 18 July 2006, which is
> the
> second busiest month of the year, so the analysis done by the applicant is
> fair as its based on a peak time.
>
> A roundabout would be a very expensive improvement to request, perhaps
> even
> enough to make the development unviable. The Highway Authority would have
> to be able to justify why its required and possibly defend such a
> recommendation at appeal.
>
> However the predicted traffic flows are nowhere near the level where a
> roundabout would normally be considered. Visibility at the junction is
> excellent, there isn't a significant accident history and the speed of
> traffic past the site is not excessive, 85%ile recorded in the low 40's
> mph.
> In addition there will be other highway improvements, an off road route
> for
> pedestrians and cyclists to the site and some minor signing and lining on
> the A169 to warn motorists of the approaching junction.
>
> As mentioned previously the highway recommendation is only our opinion,
> the
> decision on what should be provided if the development goes ahead does
> rest
> with Ryedale DC and their councillors.
>
> Regards
> James.
>
>
>
>
>
>>>> "Paul Andrews" <paul@sail-apollo.fsnet.co.uk> 04/10/07 11:31 >>>
> Does this take into account all the traffic to Eden Camp in summer?
>
> I have to say I know this junction very well, as I use it a lot. There is
> something very wrong if County cannot insist on a roundabout.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul Andrews
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Kennedy" <James.Kennedy@northyorks.gov.uk>
> To: <paul@sail-apollo.fsnet.co.uk>
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:33 AM
> Subject: Development at Eden House Road
>
>
> Councillor Andrews,
>
> The local traffic office has passed on your concerns regarding the
> planning
> application for the above development which is being considered by the
> Transport and Development team at County Hall.
>
> Ryedale DC has consulted the Highway Authority and we will shortly be
> issuing our recommendation which has been based upon information provided
> in
> the Transport Assessment submitted by the applicant. However this is only
> our opinion and the decision to approve, refuse or condition the
> application
> lies with Ryedale DC.
>
> There is no set answer on the type of junction required, it depends very
> much upon site characteristics. There is national guidance in the form of
> the 'Design Manual for Roads and Bridges DMRB' , which covers design
> standards for motorways and trunk roads.
>
> The advice given in DMRB is that "simple junctions are appropriate for
> most
> minor junctions on single carriageway roads". The example given is where
> the daily traffic flow on the major road does not exceed 13,000 and around
> 500 vehicles on the minor road.
>
> This falls in line with the existing situation, daily traffic flows on the
> A169 vary from 8000-12000 over the year, with very low flows on Eden House
> road. Obviously this development would increase traffic on the minor road
> and therefore we need to consider if improvements are required.
>
> The likely number of trips to the site has been considered in the
> Transport
> Assessment. The am peak would be the busiest time, with an estimate of
> 272
> trips to the site and 67 leaving. The distribution of this traffic has
> also
> been assessed with the modelling indicating that 70% of the traffic will
> be
> via the A64, 18% from the B1257 and 12% from the A169. Therefore the vast
> majority of trips to the site will be left turn from the A169 in the am
> and
> right turn out of Eden House Road in the pm. A modelling programme has
> assessed the existing junction with the additional traffic and this has
> shown it is adequate and would still operate below capacity.
>
> A roundabout would only normally be considered where daily traffic flows
> on
> the minor road reach several thousand.
>
> There are various highway improvements recommended to accompany the
> development, these include provision of a footway and cycleway into Old
> Malton, widening of Eden House road, funding improvements to the existing
> bus services and a possible contribution towards strategic highway
> improvements in Malton.
>
> If you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact me.
>
> Regards
> James Kennedy
> Transport and Development.
>
>
>>>> Richard Marr 03/10/07 17:02 >>>
> James
>
> Please find below the RDC Councillor, Paul Andrews' e-mail address.
>
> I spoke to him last night and he is very concerned about the A169
> junction.
> He said there will be 400 people working at the new site and can not see
> why
> we can not insist on a roundabout. In fact he went on to say that if we
> did
> not get a roundabout there, we would "be rubbish". I tried to explain
> about
> the DfT guidance but had to stop as the main meeting started.
>
> I assume that if we follow guidance and do not recommend a roundabout,
> Ryedale DC can still add one to the planning consent if they want to.
>
> Thanks
>
> Richard
>
> paul@sail-apollo.fsnet.co.uk
>
>